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Getting a Seat at the Table: Interview with Theresa Hummel-Krallinger and Jim Yoacham Premium Content

Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - by George Hall

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Training expert, Theresa Hummel-Krallinger, and former senior executive, Jim Yoakum, draw from several decades of experience to define just what skills are needed to "get-a-seat-at-the table," and how these skills can be developed. Hummel-Krallinger and Yoakum sound a clarion call to the training profession: training consultants need a strong presence and clear, resolute voice in the executive suite. They offer a simple 3-step model practitioners can employ to develop these critical skills: (1) broaden the practitioner's traditional focus on training to include business and consulting, (2) project a professional attitude and reject the view that training is "a nice-to-have extra", and (3) build the credibility, reputation, and relationships needed to get, keep, and leverage "a-seat-at-the-table."

In this interview, Theresa Hummel-Krallinger and Jim Yoakum share their views on:

  • Performance Consulting
  • Obsolete Stereotypes
  • Delivering Bottom Line Results
  • Collaborating with Executives
  • Quintessential Skills

George Hall (GH): What are the greatest challenges in the practice of workplace learning and performance consulting?

Theresa Hummel-Krallinger (THK): There are two great challenges in the practice of workplace learning and performance consulting: (1) 'the bottom line' and (2) the 'stereotype'. First, I think that proving bottom line return on investment (ROI) is going to continue being a challenge. I follow the work heavyweights like Kirkpatrick, Phillips, and others have done in the evaluation arena. It is critical for the field to further refine outcome measurements and evaluation techniques. Second, I think that overcoming the field's perception of being "nice to have" is going to be difficult. Training is not an extra, and need not be perceived as one. I want training, and I think all of us want training, to be regarded as an integral part of the business. But I don't think we are there yet. I think that there are still many organizations that view training as a nice-to-have addition.

Jim Yoakum (JY): In today's business world, we often pigeon-hole people. We believe people are their function and that this defines their professional contribution to the business. Consequently, this expectation limits workplace learning and performance professionals to training activities. Executives often view training through a restrictive and largely obsolete filter that clouds their perception for what the learning and performance professional can really offer.

GH: Do you see the two challenges as linked? Does the training profession's difficulty in demonstrating bottom line value perpetuate the training as "nice to have" stereotype?

THK: Absolutely. Practitioners need to think and behave like a business person first, and think and behave like a trainer second. I am not suggesting that trainers abandon their prior commitments or sacrifice one skill set for another. In contrast, I suggest that practitioners need to think more holistically: they need to consider integrating other disciplines and perspectives into their everyday practice and meet today's challenges head-on.

JY: Without robust metrics, training and development professions are handicapped. They are forced to measure their effectiveness in a manner that doesn't inspire management's trust. Without management's trust, training professionals can't hope to earn a seat-at-the-table.

GH: What experiences enabled you to transcend prevailing stereotypes and deliver bottom line results?

THK: To begin with, I always strive to take a long-term view of the training profession. Instead of looking at everything through a trainers' lens, I seek new perspectives. To begin with, for example, I try to understand my boss. I try to really understand what is keeping my executive up at night (literally and figuratively). To get inside my boss' head and see the business from his/her point of view, I ask myself several questions: What are the things that are gnawing at him? What are the things that are people-related that also prevent him/her from focusing on core business objectives?

GH: These are certainly penetrating and thought-provoking questions. Many training professionals don't ask them. Why?

THK: Great question. Historically, trainers have been taught to ask different questions - what training is needed? Unfortunately, this focus is now too narrow. The field has largely outgrown this focus and, in fact, has been forced by the current business environment to redefine itself. This redefined profession has a broader focus and asks new questions - what is keeping my executive up at night? What is gnawing at him or her that I can somehow alleviate with my skill set and my knowledge? Asking these sorts of questions makes you a collaborative partner who can, finally, rightfully claim of a-seat-at-the-table.

GH: What are the quintessential skills any Workplace Learning and Performance Professional should strive to acquire? Why?

THK: I love this question. The quintessential skills any Learning and Development Professional should acquire include (1) the ability to think like a business person, (2) the capacity to align your contribution to the business, and (3) the skill to listen and hear the unmet need. I think that consultants must be able to read between the lines to find out what is really going on. What are people actually saying? Consultants need to get out of their own heads. It is not all about you - the trainer. It is about them - the client. The only reason we have jobs as training professionals is to provide support. Our position is not about getting our needs met or playing roles we were taught to fill. We exist, as training consultants, to serve the needs of the executive, the needs of the department, and the needs of the company. In the final analysis, this perspective is absolutely essential to getting "a-seat-at-the-table."

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Getting a Seat at the Table: Interview with Theresa Hummel-Krallinger and Jim Yoacham

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